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Message par micke59295 27/1/2014, 20:33

Bonjour à tous, je voudrais identifier mon moteur pour remplacer les chemises piston et tout les joints!
"c'est un moteur qui ce trouve sur un bateau"
tous les information que j'ai:
- numéro sur le bloc moteur : *192053*
- numéro de culasse 6050-j marque EBRO
et voila je soupçonne un moteur de tracteur fordson major mais je voudrai en être sur!

le photos du moteur démonter:

https://i.servimg.com/u/f57/18/71/77/74/img_0013.jpg
https://i.servimg.com/u/f57/18/71/77/74/img_0014.jpg

voila merci d'avance pour tout renseignement

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Message par aztek29 27/1/2014, 20:52

Salut et bienvenue,

as-tu lu ce post ?
https://vieilles-soupapes.1fr1.net/t27611-c-est-quoi-ce-moteur-un-ford

tu devrais trouver quelques infos concernant ton moteur...

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Message par larue57 27/1/2014, 22:45

Salut Micke

Je ne peut pas t'aider mais fait attention  les moteurs Ebro sont fabriqués sous licence en Espagne et diffère quelques peu des moteurs Anglais
il y a quelques temps un membre du Forum du nord avait besoin d'un filtre a huile pour un moteur Ebro 4 cyl monté dans un bateau , impossible de trouver en France , je me suis renseigné chez Mann ce modèle existe mais livrable qu'en Espagne et c'est notre amis David qui lui a fait parvenir et ce n'est qu'un  détail
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Message par micke59295 28/1/2014, 00:46

merci pour tout

je suis un ami de la personne qui cherchait le filtre du moteurs 4 cyl. on refait sont moteur car il perdait de l'eau, après recherche et avoir éprouver la culasse et bloc moteur, on c'est rendu compte que les joints de chemise était foutu.
c'est pour cela que je cherche plus de renseignement sur ce moteur!

j'ai trouver des chemises pistons pour super major:
http://www.agrilineproducts.com/Catalogue/ProductDetail/engine-overhaul-kit?productID=9f0d0260-31e8-4865-ab16-77b2720f87b3&catalogueLevelItemID=82a55839-7885-4624-b89b-3a39a6c7f71e

Mais est ce que les moteur des super ebro sont les même que les super major? :bizarre: 
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Message par aztek29 28/1/2014, 13:33

Salut,

Une photo de 'David Montón'  :
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depuis son post :
https://vieilles-soupapes.1fr1.net/t4333-mon-super-ebro-du-1963-ne-se-rend-pas?highlight=ebro

IDENTIFIER MOTEUR FORD Tabla_pg_03

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-THAMES-TRADER-592E-TRUCK-ENGINE-REBUILD-KIT-/121014632006

Depuis un autre foum :



Ford (of Britain) launched the "E1A Fordson Major" tractor in 1952 with a new overhead valve 4 cylinder 220 cubic inch diesel. This engine was known as the "4D". Shortly afterwards the "4D" was made available for fitting into the "Thames ET6/7" range of lorries (up to 5 tons payload). There was also a petrol version of this engine of approx 200 cubic inches. The competition however offered 7 tons payload, so Ford needed a new model of lorry to compete. This was known as the "Thames Trader" and was launched in May 1957 with the option of a "4D" or a new "6D" engine depending on the payload. The 6D was simply a 6 cylinder version of the 4D and therefore had a capacity of 330 cubic inches. There was also a petrol version of this engine of approximately 300 cubic inches.

There were effectively 3 flavours of the 4D engine: Agricultural / Automotive / Industrial. The agricultural version didn't rev as quickly as the automotive version - approx 1800rpm instead of approx 2400rpm. The industrial version had slight differences like a decompressor for starting with a handle.

Unlike the 4D, the 6D only had 2 flavours: Automotive / Industrial. A limited number of 6D engines were used in Agriculture by companies like County and Roadless for 6 cylinder 4 wheel drive Fordson Majors. A number were also used in combines / grass drying plant etc, but these were basically Industrial engines being used for agriculture. Ford themselves never really developed an agricultural version of this engine, and never built a 6 cylinder Fordson Major, although many were later converted.

The Fordson Major was produced until 1964, whilst the Thames Trader and Industrial engines were produced until 1965. During the production run of these engines (1952 to 1965), numerous minor changes were made, although the engines retained their basic design and dimensions throughout, with many of the parts being interchangable across the years. Some of the more significant changes include:
-- The launch of the Mk2 engine in 1957, which amongst other changes had "high crown" pistons, and a thicker head gasket.
-- The sealing of the (wet) cylinder liners with two O-rings in 1961. One at the top, one at the bottom. Previously only one O-ring had been used at the bottom.
-- The use of a Simms Minimec mechanically governed fuel pump instead of the previous vacuum governed Simms pump in 1962.

With the launch of the Mk2 Thames Trader in 1962, the 6D engine was fitted with the "FL" cylinder head. The 4D had the "FL" head from 1963. Please see the following link for further details of the "FL" head (courtesy of Steven B). http://www.ytmag.com/fordson/messages/2506.html

In April 1965 Ford launched the "D-series" lorry to replace the Thames Trader. Contrary to popular opinion, these lorries didn't have a "beefed-up" 6D, they had a whole new range of engines. These new engines had dry cylinder liners and a new block / cylinder head / sump etc. The first of these engines were offered in 330 & 360 cubic inch configuration, and a Turbo 360 was offered in 1968. The automotive versions of these engines were fitted in the lorries on a slant. The Ford Cargo replaced the D-series. The majority of marinized Ford 6 cylinders diesels that you will see nowadays are based on D-series / Cargo engines. The old "Thames Trader" engine (which you have) are scarcer to find now. The easiest way to identify the "4D / 6D" engines from the later engines is the external drive shaft to the injection pump.

On the 4D engine, either a nylon or a rubber coupling will be found as an injection pump drive shaft coupling. The injection pump drive exits the block from the timing gears, through the aforementioned coupling to the injection pump. On the 6D engine a drive shaft of approx 6 inches length is used to connect the pump to the timing gears. On both the 4D & 6D engines, the drive will be seen rotating whilst the engine is running.

The later D-series / Cargo engines however have the pump mounted directly to the timing gears and no moving parts will be seen whilst the engine is running.

Ford themselves never produced a marine version of their engines, however many industrial engines were marinized by third party companies. Going by the part numbers you have given, you have a marinized Ford 6D.

Judging from the cylinder head part number you have given (510E 6050-E FL), your engine dates from between 1962 (introduction of FL cylinder head) and 1965 (end of production).

I hope this helps you to understand what engine you have.

With regards parts availability, these engines are fairly easy to get bits for. A significant number of Fordson Major tractors are still in use around the world, and a large number have also been preserved / restored. Consequently, a lot of parts are being remanufactured for the Fordson Major, which don't forget is just a 4 cylinder version of your engine.

It should be easy to get hold of Valves, Valve guides, Pistons, Liners, Small end bearings, big end shells, main bearing shells, crank seals, water pumps etc. since they are all used on the "4D". Parts specifically for the 6D might not be quite so easy to get hold of, although they shouldn't pose too many problems.

The industrial engines were designated 589E, 590E, 591E, 592E for the 6 cylinder petrol, 6 cylinder diesel, 4 cylinder petrol, 4 cylinder diesel respectively. The Thames Trader 5 ton diesel (RHD) was denoted 510E, and the Thames Trader 5 ton petrol (RHD) was denoted 508E. The Fordson Major was designated the E1A.




Yo

Edit :
doc atelier concernant les motorisation Major/ Power Major / Super Major :
http://www.fordson.se/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1844
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Message par micke59295 28/1/2014, 15:50

grand merci!
mais je n'arrive pas a en conclure!
est ce que le 592e est le moteur du super major car toute les cotations des piston cylindre sont les même.
De plus les 2 joints toriques sont présent comme le super major après 1961.
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Message par aztek29 28/1/2014, 19:21

Re,

David pourra peut-être t'en dire plus sur les motorisations Ebro ? Un MP éventuellement...

Les fournisseurs de pièces détachées pourraient peut être également confirmer la correspondance des pièces... Leur as-tu adressé un Mail dans ce sens ?.. :bizarre: 

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